Interviewer: Cameron Edney - http://www.myspace.com/insideout666ints
The Reckoning
A Conversation with thrash legends David Ellefson & Jimmy DeGrasso
By Cameron Edney
Every now and then I get to do something a little bit different and
this was certainly one of those cases. After four years of conducting
interviews, I was about to do conference calls with two of thrash
metal's iconic musicians David Ellefson and Jimmy DeGrasso! If neither
of those names rings a bell then you are on the wrong website right
now! Both David and Jimmy have been in the business for well over
twenty five years and have influenced more people than I could ever
mention. Recording and playing with bands such as Megadeth, Soulfly,
Suicidal Tendencies, Alice Cooper, Alice In Chains, Temple Of Brutality
and David Lee Roth has earned them both their rightful places in heavy
metal history. Years after working together with thrash royalty Megadeth,
Ellefson and DeGrasso are back together making metal for the masses
with F5. Earlier this year F5 released their second album 'The Reckoning',
heavier than the band's debut 'A Drug for All Seasons' 'The Reckoning'
was well received by fans of both guys past work and it opened up
the eyes to thousands more who were not aware of F5's existence. There
is no doubt that with outstanding songs such as 'Rank and File', 'Love
is Dead' and 'Control', 'The Reckoning' will be classed as one of
the better metal albums to be released in 2008. After speaking with
Dave & Jimmy for what seemed like only a few minutes, I got an insight
to another side of these thrashers that I had never before witnessed.
We discussed so many different topics as you will see and both guys
were not backwards in coming forwards by any means. We discussed the
latest kick ass F5 album 'The Reckoning', their love for Australia,
touring with so many influential artists, parenthood and much more.
The time has come to discuss The Reckoning with David Ellefson and
Jimmy DeGrasso!
Metal Fanatix: Hi guys, how are you
both doing?
David Ellefson: Hey Cameron, what’s
been going on down under lately?
Jimmy DeGrasso: Hello, Cameron I’m
well, how’s life treating you down under?
Metal Fanatix: All is good mate, busy
as usual. Dave, we have been getting some amazing tours over the last
few months.
David Ellefson: Yeah, I’ve been
getting all of your emails man, I’ve been seeing that! There
were a ton of things coming through!
Metal Fanatix: Guys, I want to thank
you both for taking the time out to talk with me today, it is a true
pleasure to have not one but two of my favorite musicians on the phone
at the same time. Let’s talk about the latest F5 album ‘The
Reckoning’ what an amazing rockin' album, the band has certainly
grown since ‘A drug for all Seasons’ was released. No
doubt you were happy with the outcome?
David Ellefson: I think so, just knowing
from where we came from when the band started, to the process we went
through with ‘A Drug For All Seasons’ and the touring
for that album which took us to the next phase of the bands growth!
In my opinion ‘The Reckoning’ is a progression that a
rising band should take, it shows that the growth between the two
albums is huge and with Jimmy on drums now, it helps us take it up
to where we wanted to go musically.
Jimmy DeGrasso: The first record which
I didn’t have anything to do with, I liked. I really thought
it was a good commercial rock album. I don’t know if you would
have called it a metal record, but I thought it was a great groove
rock record. This one is obviously a lot different; it’s more
of a metal record.
Metal Fanatix: David, ‘The Reckoning’
was once again produced by Ryan Greene, when it came to look for a
producer; did you consider working with anyone else?
David Ellefson: We did, we thought about
using a couple of other people and we talked with a few other people
and there were several things we had to consider. Ryan already knew
the inner workings of the band, we felt comfortable working with him.
The fact that he was in our home town of phoenix helped a lot. You
always run the risk when you use a new producer. We wanted to make
this record with us being much more in charge of what we felt the
right direction was. The whole process of working with a new producer
was something that we didn’t want to take up that much time
and energy doing, especially when we knew that the working relationship
with Ryan was very productive and solid after working together on
the last record.
Metal Fanatix: How did you push each
other musically and creatively to get the best results possible for
the new album?
Jimmy DeGrasso: The funny thing is Dave
and I have known each other for about eighteen years now and we’ve
had a rapport personally and musically. As you know, we both played
together in Megadeth a long time ago and we have a knack for playing
together. Since then we have played together in Montrose as well and
there are certain things we both know the other is going to do, and
we don’t have to discuss music too much. Dave is always open
to trying new things and more aggressive things on the drums and our
producer Ryan was the same. Ryan is also a drummer and he would come
up with an idea here and there, he would say “now i don’t
know if this is psychically possible, but play the double bass, then
play this tom tom and hit those two cymbals there” [laughs].
I could usually make it happen, so we would come up with more weird
stuff and i would try to feel my way through it. We don’t take
it too seriously anymore, we just try to make the best album we can
while having fun!
David Ellefson: I think Steve and John
really stepped up big time. Steve especially pushed us all to get
back to some essentials that were happening when we were originally
writing the very first batch of songs back in 2003. One of the things
that Steve wanted was a lot more lead guitar playing on the record.
When we were going through the transition from our former drummer,
everybody in the band looked at me and said call Jimmy DeGrasso immediately
[laughs]. I love Jimmy, he’s one of my best friends, he and
I make a great rhythm section together and i think he’d fits
in great with F5. There were a bunch of songs that we wrote while
we were on tour for ‘A Drug For All Seasons’, some that
we wrote when we came off the road from that tour. Steve and John
wrote the music for ‘Love Is Dead’, Final Hour, and ‘Through
Hell’ a week before Jimmy came in! They were written really
without a drummer. Steve and John wrote them with no limitations,
just wanted to be as crazy as they could musically knowing that Jimmy
could come in and just play it! Getting Jimmy into the picture pushed
us in the sense!
Jimmy DeGrasso: I got called at the
last minute to come in and do the drum tracks, and the songs were
still in a pretty rough form when I got down there. Ryan Greene and
I really had to refine some of the song structures with David and
one of the other guys to pull the arrangements together. Most of the
songs didn’t really have any melodies or lyrics at that point.
It’s really hard in that situation to create drum charts and
arrangements when you don’t know what the vocal subject, the
vocal melodies and the vocal lines are at this point [laughs]. You’re
playing blind a lot unfortunately. I have been in the studio several
other times where the songs haven’t been finished, and we were
under the gun! You just have to guess your way through a lot of things
and in this case it came out really good. I thought sonically it’s
a pretty tight sounding record and I’m really happy with it.
Metal Fanatix: Guys Over the last couple
of months I have had the album on heavy rotation and it’s a
very fresh sounding metal album. I found myself comparing it to Megadeth,
Alice Cooper in parts as well as newer bands such as Disturbed and
Sevendust. There are many stand out tracks on the album such as ‘Rank
and File’ and ‘Love is Dead’, what stands out the
most when you play the album back?
Jimmy DeGrasso: No, not really. ‘Control’
is a good one. ‘Love is dead’, it’s funny that you
mention that one, the main trigger on that song is a blues shuffle
and there’s not too much of that done anymore. Not a lot of
metal bands are even familiar with the term shuffle cause it’s
almost like a ZZ Top, Aerosmith blues based form, you don’t
hear much of that in the “Metal Genre”. I think that it’s
funny that you’ve picked that track. There’s some interesting
stuff on ‘The Reckoning’ but I don’t really have
a favorite track at this point. I have always done records where there
are one or two tracks where I go ehh! Why did we put that on the record
and believe me… that’s happened on a lot of occasions.
When I listen to this album there is nothing that I would have left
off.
David Ellefson: Just as the same with
‘A Drug For All Seasons’, I think ‘The Reckoning’
is best when digested as an entire meal, the whole record from top
to bottom. It’s not a concept album, but it flows like one!
Lyrically, musically, the way one song ends and the next one begins
it’s really put together and flows all together. It was almost
like the album wasn’t complete until we knew we had all the
right songs. We didn’t set out to write any particular songs,
but we knew when it was done! I love all of the progressive musical
playing in ‘No Excuse’ I love the old school metal riffing
in ‘Love Is Dead’ and then a song like ‘Final Hour’
to me is such a pleasure to listen to! I have a lot of favorites on
this one!
Metal Fanatix: Looking at it from a
drummer’s point of view Jimmy, one of the standout tracks is
‘Wake Up’! I loved everything from start to finish, when
you hit the studio, did you have complete power over your drum tracks
or did the band want certain styles from you for certain songs?
Jimmy DeGrasso: I had pretty much complete
control unless it got too out of hand and became too busy! We didn’t
run into that too much, we’ve all done this for such a long
time that we know what works and what doesn’t at this point.
There was no one putting any controls or parameters on what I did.
I tried to complement the guitar riffs as best I could, whether it
was playing more or playing less. The purpose of every song is the
riff, all you want to do as a drummer is compliment the riff without
getting in the way of the vocals, and that’s where the trick
is. In this case I didn’t know where the vocals were or if there
were any vocals at all [laughs]. We cut the drum tracks in three days
without many problems and barriers.
Metal Fanatix: The Reckoning was released
in the United Stated back in August, has there been a date set for
Australia yet?
David Ellefson: As far as I know there
has not, it may be one of these things where it’s available
on import at some point. More and more everything is available online
at iTunes and people can even go to our website where we have a mechanism
called play now, pay now where you can buy the record and download
it immediately and a copy of the album is also shipped to you in the
mail.
Metal Fanatix: For the fans, family
and friends who have heard the latest album, how has the responses
been?
David Ellefson: So far across the board
the response has been great. It’s everything we expected it
to be. I love the first record, but probably from the fans perspective
it may have been a bit of a curve ball because they were expecting
me to be continuing on more with what i did from the past. The way
I saw it was that F5 was a different band, with a different name,
with different musicians in it and my goal was always to let this
band create its own sound rather than dictating to this band that
it needs to sound like my past work. As a result, I think it kept
F5 honest and it allowed the band to be creative and grow as you can
hear now from the difference between the first and the second records.
F5 stands on its own, and we’re probably going to have fans
on our own. It isn’t always going to be solely relying on my
past work to carry F5.
Metal Fanatix: Dave, does that actually
bother you! Take a site like my own or Blabbermouth for example and
the headlines always start with Ex-Megadeth bassist rather that F5
bassist. Do you get annoyed that many of us in the press are always
referring to you as the Ex-Megadeth guy rather than the bass player
for one of your more current projects such as F5?
David Ellefson: No, I personally don’t
mind it at all. It’s to be expected and I think that if they
stop doing that I should be concerned [laughs].
Metal Fanatix: David, when we last spoke
back in 2006 you told me Dave Small had come up with the name for
the band, now that he is no longer in it, will we be seeing a name
change because of legal reasons or anything like that?
David Ellefson: No, no everything is
fine with Dave. He is a great drummer and a really sweet guy. Dave
has a real good spirit to him; we wanted to take the band in a much
more metal direction because we really felt that this was a whole
side of the band that you never really got to hear on the first record.
I think that for Dave, it may have been a little bit out of the reportage
of what he likes to do and what he normally would do. Dave was the
one who stepped aside and there are definitely no hard feelings at
all.
Metal Fanatix: Guys, let’s talk
about life on the road for a moment. Earlier this year you played
some shows in the U.S.A. but i can’t seem to find any details
on upcoming F5 shows. What touring plans do you currently have in
the works?
David Ellefson: Some agents have contacted
us about some dates. Things have changed a lot since our last tour.
Here in America diesel fuel is now five dollars a gallon, where it
used to be two dollars a gallon. F5 is a new band, as much as Jimmy
& I are known from our past work, legacy doesn’t necessarily
mean that you want to rely on that when it comes to touring. We’re
not playing any songs from our former bands we’re only playing
F5 songs. Years ago you would get a band and you would go out on the
road and you would play whenever and where ever you could because
that’s how you built it, but Jimmy and I are in a different
situation now. To take a band out on the road for a six pack of beer
and a couple of blow jobs... we don’t do that anymore [laughs],
the music business is entirely different now. In our mind we did some
shows cause we wanted to warm the band up and get some things going
and help get the band up on the radar screens. But as far as going
out an extensively touring... ideally we’d like to go out touring
with somebody else rather than us just going out and playing some
tiny clubs. Some of it is a comfort level and some of it is just being
realistic about how we are going to start and build a new band rather
than how we would have done it twenty years ago.
Metal Fanatix: Speaking of going out
on tour with other bands… I believe you are back on speaking
terms with Dave Mustaine?
David Ellefson: Yeah I am!
Metal Fanatix: Does this mean we could
possibly see F5 added to an upcoming Gigantour bill?
David Ellefson: [Laughs] I don’t
know if I’d go that far [laughs]. Anything is possible, I try
to keep all doors open but I don’t know if our cycles will be
moving in the same direction by the time we are ready to take the
album on the road.
Metal Fanatix: Well mate, it would be
great if you guys were added to the bill before Gigantour came back
to Australia!
David Ellefson: [Laughs] I see where
you’re going with this [laughs]. I love Australia; I was only
able to go there twice in all my many years in that band, just because
touring just wasn’t as prominent for bands to get down to Australia
as it is now! If I had to leave America for some reason, Australia
would be the country that I’d go to!
Metal Fanatix: Jimmy, you were last
here in 2004 and you have been to Australia a few times now with various
bands. What fond memories do you have of Australia?
Jimmy DeGrasso: Food poisoning... [Laughs]
I swear to god man, just like Dave, I love Australia. I was there
twice with Suicidal Tendencies, one of those times I was playing with
Suicidal’s and Alice in Chains...
Metal Fanatix: I was actually at that
show, but we’ll speak more about that in a moment...
Jimmy DeGrasso: I came back again with
Alice cooper in 1997 – 98, and then I came back again with Alice
cooper in 2001 when I was filling in because they had no drummer at
the time. I was in Australia again in 2004 again for a drummer’s
weekend. I haven‘t been there in four years now. Obviously I
am a native of the United States but after touring around Australia
that’s the only other country that i would want to live also!
I love the people down there, I’ve never had a bad time there
except for the food poisoning, but Americans and Australians just
get along. All politics aside Australians are always very friendly
and very welcoming and that’s why we love coming down there.
There are a lot of great drummers and great musicians in Australia!
Every time I come down there I always look at real estate!
Metal Fanatix: Jimmy lets go back to
late October 1993 when Suicidal Tendencies and Alice in Chains played
Australia together. I was fortunate enough to witness both Sydney
shows which took place one week apart due to the touring schedule,
and two things that come to mind when I think of the second Sydney
show are 1. You were filling in on drums for Sean and 2. Layne jumping
into the crowd to belt some guy who was spitting at him! Do you remember
that incident?
Jimmy DeGrasso: [Laughs] I totally
remember that and I’ll tell ya what... I have the only existing
video of that show! The sound man for Suicidal’s had this video
camera and I taped three of the shows. He set a tripod up at the soundboard
and I totally remember that happening! I was sitting up on the drum
riser and someone had spat on Layne, then Layne had jumped into the
crowd. We only had one security guard and he couldn’t get Layne
out. I remember stepping off the drums and I couldn’t even find
Layne in the crowd at one point. We were standing on the edge of the
stage looking for him and he wasn’t a terribly big guy. I remember
standing there with Mike [Inez] and he said “well, he’s
in there somewhere” [laughs]. Eventually he will come back out
and we can finish the set [laughs]. I remember that like it was yesterday!
Metal Fanatix: [Laughs] I wasn’t
standing too far away from the guy who was spitting at Layne and I
still don’t know why the hell he was doing it in the first place!
Those Alice in Chains / Suicidal’s shows were life changing
concert experiences for me.
Jimmy DeGrasso: I’ll never understand
why people pay money to go and see you, spit at you to then get beat
up! I’ll also never understand why people come to see you and
then throw their shoes onstage! I’ll also never understand why
you go to a show, you buy a beer then you throw it at the band [laughs].
A couple of years ago I was playing with David Lee Roth and during
the last song, which was Jump, I got hit in the head with a full beer
bottle. It knocked me for a second, but I remember thinking…
what was the point of throwing a perfectly good beer on the stage
and hoping it would hit someone? If you don’t like the song,
you don’t like the song, but don’t throw your friggin'
beer! It’s one of those mysteries that you and I will never
understand [laughs].
Metal Fanatix: You both have played
with some amazing musicians throughout your careers, is there any
one band you would love to go out on the road with?
David Ellefson: It’s pretty wide
open, there are a lot of other big tours up here and I think F5 is
a band who could play with Judas Priest and Queensryche or we could
hit the road with newer bands like Sevendust, Disturbed or Symphony
X. The cool thing with this new record is it has its traditional metal
roots because of my background and because the guys in F5 are a little
bit younger, it by nature has a fresh feeling about it too.
Metal Fanatix: Jimmy, out on the road
who has given you the best piece of advice and what was it?
Jimmy DeGrasso: I’m not a very
good card player and I got a lot of poker playing techniques from
Alice Cooper. I had to learn very quickly, because if you didn’t
learn you would lose your pay.
Metal Fanatix: [Laughs].
Jimmy DeGrasso: You had to know when
to get out of the game too. That was our past time out on the road,
gigs over, we’re on the bus, and we’re playing poker.
It’s fun for a couple of hours but then you start losing and
it’s not that much fun! I’ve got to learn to be a better
card player [laughs].
Metal Fanatix: [Laughs] What has been
the best show of your life thus far, is it even possible to pinpoint
one occasion?
Jimmy DeGrasso: Not really, there are
so many great experiences. I would say that those Alice In Chains
shows were memorable. I was always a big fan of the band and that’s
how I could fill in so easily, I knew all of their songs. There were
a lot of gigs with Suicidal Tendencies, when we were opening for Metallica,
we had a lot of great nights, great crowds. Playing in Europe to 150,
000 people a night was just insane. The first David Lee Roth show
was another great show. We didn’t rehearse, just got out there.
I grew up listening to Van Halen, so I knew all that stuff really
well and you know the Dave solo stuff, but when you get up there and
David Lee Roth is standing in front of the drum riser, it’s
a bit surreal. Woodstock with Megadeth was a pretty intense show.
Metal Fanatix: That’s right there
were a bunch of fires and riots weren’t there?
Jimmy DeGrasso: Yeah! We were going
out as the riot team was coming in past us, guys in full amour with
machine guns. I remember thinking this is not going to end well!
Metal Fanatix: Dave, you recently finished
up work on the new Alien Blakk album also! What can you tell us about
that?
David Ellefson: It’s funny, Josh
who is the main writer for that has always called me to play on his
records, to the point where I’d usually hold him off to make
sure his material is done. He eventually ends up at my house with
a CD, a guitar and music in hand saying “here it is, I need
you in the studio Friday” [laughs]. That’s how the first
one went and that’s how the new one went! Once we got into the
studio he had a really good drummer lined up and the writing had really
approved a lot from the first to the second record. I really like
doing second records cause bands grow and people grow and stretch
out more artistically and musically, there is a comfort level when
you have been working with someone before! I have played on two Soulfly
records, two F5 records and now two Alien Blakk records. The Alien
Blakk stuff overall I really walked out of feeling satisfied as a
bass player. Unlike the F5 record which is more a big rock band sound,
The Alien Blakk is much more of a musician’s type of album.
There are a lot of different styles on the album from melodic to thrash
to funk and it allows me to play what I want and not worry about it
fitting into some kind of a box. As a musician it’s fun to be
able to do that, it’s not about radio play, not about commercialism,
it just about musicians hanging and seeing how far we can go with
this!
Metal Fanatix: Guys we have hit the
part of the interview where our readers get to find out more about
the real you! What have your parents thought about the music you have
played?
Jimmy DeGrasso: [Laughs] They never
really had an opinion. They were always really supportive when I was
a kid of playing drums. They gave me a drum kit when I was two; most
parents won’t give you a drum kit when you’re ten ‘cause
they don’t want to hear it. From that stand point they have
always been supportive. My dad’s no longer with us but my mum
is and she has come to Suicidal Tendencies, Alice Cooper and Megadeth
shows. You name it, she’s been there, and she’s always
liked it!
David Ellefson: My parents were always
supportive of me playing, they never liked the music that I played
[laughs]. What parents want their kids getting into heavy metal? Fortunately
I had a good upbringing and I think my father got really excited,
that I got passionate about something. I later learned after he died
that he was really passionate about architecture, but he took over
our family farm and ran the farm operation which he was really good
at. He was a business man but I think ideally he had this artistic
thing inside of him that he probably was never able to realize to
the level that he wanted. I think once he saw me grab on to music
he got excited. He saw that I was serious about it, I dedicated my
whole life to music, my every waking hour to it and he really got
behind it and supported me!
Metal Fanatix: Jimmy has there ever
been a point in your career where you thought it was all over?
Jimmy DeGrasso: I always tell this story
when I do drum clinics, because this is a prime example of not knowing
where your career is going... back in 1992 I was sitting at home one
day, and there was nothing going on, I hadn’t had a gig in a
couple months and I was thinking to myself maybe it’s over?
If that’s it, that’s it, no big deal! I was contemplating
retirement at twenty seven [laughs]. Next thing the phone rings, it
was a management company and they wanted to know if I wanted to go
and play with The Cult. I thought… that sounds great, they said
“can you be in L.A. in a couple of days”? I said “Sure,
I’m going to be there then anyways, see you then”. About
an hour later the phone rings again, and it’s Robert Trujillo,
and he says “hey man do you want to come down and jam with Suicidal’s”?
I said “sure man sounds good, I’ll be in L.A. on Monday,
see you then”! Cameron, I’m not making this story up...
about an hour later I get another call from another management company
saying “we’re so and so and we represent Olivia Newton
John, she needs a drummer are you interested in coming down and jamming”?
I said “sure why not”.
Metal Fanatix: [Laughs].
Jimmy DeGrasso: I had gone from not
knowing what I would be doing tomorrow to within three hours getting
three calls from three completely different people! I had told my
mum about it and she was completely thrilled by the Olivia Newton
John offer.
Metal Fanatix: [Laughs].
Jimmy DeGrasso: She was saying “oh
that’s a great one”… of course she was going to
like that one! Ironically, I went down and jammed with The Cult, then
with Suicidal’s and about two days later Olivia had found out
that she had breast cancer and cancelled everything. Her management
was very nice, they called me and said thanks for your time, but everything’s
off for now as Olivia has some health issues, thanks for your consideration,
they were very very nice. That show was obviously out of the mix very
quick as she wasn’t going to be doing anything for some time!
Then I wound up getting an offer from Suicidal Tendencies and I really
liked them, they had just releases a new record which I thought was
great too. With a weird twist of fortune that’s how that all
worked out, and I always tell people you never know what’s going
to happen, be open to different things cause you just never know where
it’s going to lead you.
Metal Fanatix: What is the one metal
song you wish you had written?
David Ellefson: Iron Maiden’s
‘Number of the Beast’! It’s friggin' awesome!
Metal Fanatix: If you woke up tomorrow
and decided you no longer wanted to work in the industry, what would
you be doing?
David Ellefson: That’s a tough
one! I don’t know maybe I would pursue becoming a professional
swimmer [laughs].
Metal Fanatix: Jimmy, I believe you
actually own your own drum shop, how long have you had that now?
Jimmy DeGrasso: I’ve had it for
a couple of years, I have a staff that takes care of it and I go in
a couple of days a week when I’m in town. I try to spend as
much time as possible there but there are always other things going
on.
Metal Fanatix: Dave how old is your
kids now mate?
David Ellefson: Roman is 12 years old
and Athena is 9 years old.
Metal Fanatix: As they get ready to
enter their teenage years Roman in particular here, I wanted to ask
you... when you look at the lifestyle that comes with being in this
industry and being a parent who has done it all and seen it all, how
do you plan to tackle the hard topics such as sex and drugs and what’s
the best piece of advice you think you could give the kids when the
time comes?
David Ellefson: I am hoping that because
I went out and lived my life and did almost every possible thing there
is to do in debauchery that ever happened; I am hoping my kids will
do the complete opposite [laughs].
Metal Fanatix: [Laughs] I guess in
your case the hardest thing is you can’t sit there and say if
you do this and that this will happen to you, because let’s
face it you are one of the fortunate ones who has been able to make
a very good living, is looking well and healthy and survived it! If
your kids put up that argument down the track where does that leave
you?.
David Ellefson: You’re absolutely
right. I’m at the front end of it right now, and I’m not
into it yet but one thing I have realized about parenting is that
kids teach you how to parent. You can read every book until you’re
blue in the face but kids basically tech you how to be their parent.
In my case, one of the best things that I have on my side is life
experience. I’m not saying that the bible says this or that
parenting book says that, in my case my experience becomes my greatest
asset!
Metal Fanatix: How hard is it to juggle
family life when you are so busy with various projects, it must be
hard diving your time between both?
David Ellefson: It is a lot, recently
I was in Hawaii for the Rock N’ Roll Fantasy Camp then I came
home then a week later I played an F5 show, then I did The Alien Blakk.
Put it this way, the more I play, even if it’s a lot of different
varieties of music, the more excited I get, I feel like I’m
living life to its fullest. I think sometimes that’s the balance
with family, music can be very self consuming and self absorbed and
I think family is a way to pull me out of sucking myself up into my
own asshole [laughs]! Having kids has made me stay young and feel
youthful, it’s kept me in touch with what’s going on out
there. It also helps me realize that music is an art form that is
fun and passionate and entertaining for other people not just you!
Jimmy DeGrasso: Without going into any
details I am involved with some other business ventures, and when
you play your whole life you don’t wake up one morning and just
say that’s it, you always play! I don’t tour as much as
I used to cause I have family commitments now, and it just doesn’t
work for me, so I tour when I can in certain situations. At this point
of my life nine – ten months on the road straight… I don’t
think I could tour like that anymore; I have other things in my life
that takes priority. But I will always play.
Metal Fanatix: For many years I have
been a huge fan of the work you have both done & the various projects
you have been involved with. What does the future hold now that ‘The
Reckoning’ is completed?
David Ellefson: I find that in life
the best things usually happen without me trying. You lay down the
footwork, roll down your sleeves one day the phone rings for this
and an email shows up for that and that’s kind of how I am doing
it right now with ‘The Reckoning’. Right now we’re
talking to the media and I’m really enjoying talking about ‘The
Reckoning’ and letting the next things unfold for me!
Metal Fanatix: Jimmy, what’s the
craziest rumor you have ever heard about yourself and or any of the
bands you have been in?
Jimmy DeGrasso: I’ve never really
been with anyone that controversial.
Metal Fanatix: Oh Suicidal’s copped
it for a while there!
Jimmy DeGrasso: The image that the band
portrayed was so different from how the band actually was. I remember
people being scared of us, but if they ever met the guys in the band
they would see that we were all really nice guys, normal and down
to earth. We weren’t choir boys by any means, but you take a
band called Suicidal Tendencies and a lot of people would be intimidated
and don’t get me wrong, the band could be intimidating in certain
situations but we were all pretty normal guys for the most part. A
lot of people developed an opinion without really knowing what was
going on behind the scenes which is completely wrong.
Metal Fanatix: Most artists are lucky
to survive in the industry for 2 – 3 years and yet, you have
had an amazing journey up to this point. If you had to relive it all
again, would you change anything?
Jimmy DeGrasso: That’s a great
question ‘cause one part of me wants to say yes... I wish I
had done this or changed that or got out of this one sooner but, I
think by letting things take the course, that’s what creates
the whole journey. If you went back and perhaps changed something
then the whole thing would have a different end result and the end
result isn’t really finished yet! There are certain things I
wish I had done differently but it all happened for a reason and they’re
all learning experiences either musically or in a business sense.
I’d hate to say it but it is what it is, and you just have to
deal with it the best way you can. There have been plenty of positive
experiences and there have been some bumps in the road, but that’s
what separates the men from the boys.
Metal Fanatix: Jimmy I have one last
drumming question for you... these days it seems that everything has
been done. Drummers seem to be more interested in trying to outdo
each other, by playing faster than the drummers before and so forth
especially when you look at the more extreme sub-genres of metal.
What advice can you give to drummers who are trying to come up with
their own unique sound and styles in a time when so much has already
been created?
Jimmy DeGrasso: I think you need to
be open to everything when you are developing your sound and your
technique. I think even if you want to be a death metal or jazz drummer
you need to listen to everything. If you want to be a speed metal
drummer that’s great, there’s nothing wrong with that.
If you have some different influences then that can add more to your
sound. If you wanted to do some jazz or Latin drumming, you should
be able to do it with some metal, some rock and some punk. Be musically
aware of other things going on; don’t just know the one style,
that’s what will be holding you back. For drummers to set themselves
apart they really have to be given the opportunity within the framework
of the band and you don’t always get that. Sometimes some of
the greatest drummers are in the background or go unnoticed because
they just aren’t part of the song writing process or the sound
of the band. The whole speed thing has come to a halt and you’re
exactly right the extreme metal drumming has already reached another
plateau, and I admire that but it doesn’t really do anything
for me. I don’t really enjoy that style of music. I like to
hear some melody and that’s a musical style that’s not
really based on melody, it’s more on the attitude, the aggression
and the speed. I can appreciate the work of anyone who can play that
and I enjoy plenty of the musicians that play that stuff, but it’s
not something I’ll be listening to a lot in my free time!
Metal Fanatix: David, just before we
wrap it up I do have one final question which I ask of everyone…
who is the one band you never want to hear again and why?
David Ellefson: I’ve never hated
one band that much [laughs] maybe The Bay City Rollers or something.
My brother used to play them all the time. There are some songs in
this life that you know you hate, but when they are played around
you, you end up singing them [laughs]!
Metal Fanatix: [laughs] I hear ya man!
Guys I can’t thank you enough for speaking with me today, it’s
been awesome! I wish you guys all the best of luck with ‘The
Reckoning’ and hope to see you in Australia soon! Do you have
any last words for our readers?
David Ellefson: Thank you so much everybody
for hanging with me on this journey I’ve been doing this a lot
of years and I’ve been creating a lot of different music with
a lot of different people, and none of it means much if there isn’t
anyone out there listening so thank you!
Jimmy DeGrasso: I just want to say thanks
for doing this, I hope everyone gets to check out the record and hopefully
we will get down there soon to play for you all!
‘The Reckoning’ is out now; grab
your copy where all killer albums are sold... To keep up with all the latest news of F5, Dave & Jimmy or to order ëThe Reckoningí head to the following websites:
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http://www.davidellefson.com
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